Altering the IP address

OldNick · Post by **OldNick** » 2004-09-22 01:27

After many shennanigans I have managed to connect to the Dial Up Server under Win 98 from a remote location.

OK. At present I am trying RADMIN's older version. Please bear with me.
- This is not because I don't want to use vnc, but because RADMIN was already installed on the server, with whom I have rare contact, and who has no email account. So I can't install the VNC stuff for them. As soon as I can I will install the VNC server.
- When I do I would like as good a chance as my poor fogged brain will allow, to get it working <G>
- AFAICS, my problem will apply also to a VNC installation.

I am not asking for RADMIN support.

Win 98 SE

I have managed to get the Dial Up Server to allow me access to the Server machine. However, the IP address that is being displayed when sitting the cursor on the Task tray for Radmin shiows 127.0.0.1. From my trails here with VNC, the VNC server applet will apply the same IP address to itself as RADMIN does.

However, it _seems_ that if I try to connect to 127.0.0.1, this is some strange IP address that means "connect to your own PC". RADMIN will start to feedback and load multiple instances of the screen onto my machine, even when I am logged into the remote Server. VNC server will simply say :LOcal looping not available" or something along those lines.

I tried using Control Panel/ Networking, and askignto assign an IP address rather than auto-assign. This caused the Tray Icon to return the set IP address (169.254.209.69) but then when I dailled up I could not even log onto the Dial Up Server again!

Halp appreciated.

OldNick · Post by **OldNick** » 2004-09-22 01:39

Sorry. I should add that the server machine has no firewall, no active Virus detection, and no network car. They are also not connected to the Internet, and have no Internet account installed. I have removed NETBEUI from tyhe list of protocols, and put it back etc. No difference.

ipsec · Post by **ipsec** » 2004-09-22 17:16

OldNick wrote: I tried using Control Panel/ Networking, and askignto assign an IP address rather than auto-assign. This caused the Tray Icon to return the set IP address (169.254.209.69) but then when I dailled up I could not even log onto the Dial Up Server again!

Halp appreciated.

Did you have your friend set up an ip address also on thier system? It says you had specified one but not sure if you both specified one or not.

First and foremost when connecting to another server (dialup or otherwise) you have to be talking the same protocol. TCP/IP seems to be the easiest on dialup so just stick with that one.

Ensure both computers have that Protocol installed for the dial up adapters.

Then you can specify IP addresses on both computers - e.g. 192.168.1.10 for you 192.168.1.11 for your friend.

When you connect via dialup click on start - run - Type in command in the open box then click okay. This will open up a msdos box for you and you can type in - "ping 192.168.1.11" and "ping 192.168.1.10". Obviously without quotes and this will tell if you are talking to the other computer properly or not.

Lastly after you verify you can communicate with the computer then you have to ensure one of you sets up file sharing so that you can transfer the file (UltraVNC) to them. Maybe the RAdmin lets you move files too? Not sure. But if not just use the allow access to files and folders on your friends computer (it will require a reboot) then have them share out any folder with a full access password and have them give that to you.

Oh and lastly I would disconnect any computer that had say a ethernet connection to a lan / internet just to ensure there isnt any "Routing" issues.

Hope this helps.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2004-09-23 01:40

Thanks for the reply.

I had the Server machine (my father's) ask to have an IP address nominated rather than auto-assigned address, using the Control Panel/Networking and altering the TCP/IP setting to cause this. It has no network card.

Asking for an assigned address on the Server caused a dialup failure, as far as I could see. Not a failure of actual connection with the remote control programme, but DUN failure.

I did give the Server the same 169.254.209.69 address as mine. Could that have been the trouble? I note you say I should give them different addresses. When we tried to connect, we never got as far as even trying to "talk". I see now as I think that of course the same address would be a problem, because I would be "looking at myself" again. But should it have stopped the actual DialUp Connection?

We are both running TCP/IP, and I have _had_ a successful dialup. It's just that the server only has 127.0.0.1 as an IP address and I can't ask to look at that with the remote control programme because it's my own loopback.

I have not set up an IP address on my machine (client), to my knowledge. The system simply gives me 169.254.209.69. I am not sure why. I do have a network card installed, with NETBEUI for that card, so maybe that's where it comes from. I am not about to start mucking about to find out! <G>

Thanks again. I am still trying with this, but it's been a dreadful mess, and my Old Man has to sit and listen to me swearing at the PC as I try to get things done <G>

ipsec · Post by **ipsec** » 2004-09-23 18:17

Just as basic understandings of networking each computer has to have an address that is unique in order to speak. Otherwise how would it know to go from computer A to B?

Im not quite sure Im understanding the following -

OldNick wrote: I did give the Server the same 169.254.209.69 address as mine. Could that have been the trouble? I note you say I should give them different addresses. When we tried to connect, we never got as far as even trying to "talk". I see now as I think that of course the same address would be a problem, because I would be "looking at myself" again. But should it have stopped the actual DialUp Connection?

Stopped the dial up connection itself? Possibly? I dont think it wouldn't allow the modems to connect, they should but just wouldnt do anything.

You said you changed a setting that didnt allow you to dial in to each other, I would merely suggest to change that setting back, Specify IP address's on both computers (you can use my example of IP addresses if you like, use the subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 and no default gateway since they are only connected to each other.) And try that.

OldNick wrote: I have not set up an IP address on my machine (client), to my knowledge. The system simply gives me 169.254.209.69. I am not sure why. I do have a network card installed, with NETBEUI for that card, so maybe that's where it comes from. I am not about to start mucking about to find out! <G>

The system (meaning your computer) will try to just auto assign an IP address if its unsucessful at receiving one. Just specify your addresses and then you know that you are on the right "Network" with the right "Network Addresses." if that makes any sense?

The other thing I dont know if you have done but on your computer (not your fathers) disconnect it from the internet. This way you dont accidentally overlap between the two networks.

When you get the single network connection working, you could then work on a project to get yourself behind a router and allow your dad internet access

Not sure if thats even on the project list

Have fun.

OldNick · Post by **OldNick** » 2004-09-24 23:48

Ipsec. Thanks for your help.

I realise that IP addresses are unique Identifiers. Not being dismissive. Believe me, my difficulties here amaze _me_! I have actually successfully done this before and I am not sure what is different.

It _appeared_ that giving my Father's machine the 169.254.209.69 address stopped dial connection. No. Sorry. the modems connected, but then there was a "Failed to access network" erroir, and they hung up I know it seems weird. But of course in all this, it may well have been something different entirely. I do see now that I should have given something different. Somebody else indicated that the 169 etc address is a "default" on my machine and would not have worked on _any_ network. I am not sure. All I do know is that the 127.0.0.1 address that Father's machine has does NOT work.

All I can think is that on my Dad's machine, because he has no networking set up at all, he is assigned that 127.0.0.1 address.

I am not connected to the Internet when I try this, or any other network, although I have a network card.

I think that the 169.254.209.69 address is the address that is auto-assigned because I have a network card in place.

Part of the problem is that from my testing so far, if I assign myself an IP Address (say 10.0.0.01) for this work, in the Dial Up Server area, it seems to muck about with my Internet connections. It will allow me to log on to my ISP, but then not let me get email, or browse news etc. I still assigned and Address by the ISP, but something gets crossed up.Shrug. I will have to look at this again.

Some stuff applies to all DUN settings, and other stuff only to that particular connection. This makes it difficult. For instance setting an "atxx" command for one DUN connection makes tham all do it. But I _think_ the IPO Address can be set for each one. D'Oh!

And there is no way I am even going to _try_ that router and Internet bit! <G>. I can't even get my Old Man to get an email account.

Appreciate the help and talk-through. I realise that my questions are vagure. maybe this was not meant to happen! :-<

ipsec · Post by **ipsec** » 2004-09-27 06:06

Old Nick well sorry I couldn’t be too much more helpful on the last few posts but maybe this one will get you to the step one of a two step process - actually connect to the other computer and be on a "Point to Point Network."

I read on this page -
http://cma.zdnet.com/book/win98prfref/ch26/ch26.htm

The heading that may be VERY useful to you is the - Installing Dial Up Networking.

Basically it steps you through setting up DUN (Which you are familiar with) however it never hurts if you have the drivers for the modems to start off fresh, remove and re-install the device.

It tells you how to configure the DUN, check out your Hardware, Compression, Buffering, and how to configure your server settings for DUN along with the protocol and how to assign an IP address. Last but not least it also includes some basic troubleshooting techniques.

It's a long set of instructions but it will give you something to test out and try. I would try their method and see if it works.

To answer a few of your questions here is my $0.02

OldNick wrote:I think that the 169.254.209.69 address is the address that is auto-assigned because I have a network card in place.

Technically the IP address 169.254.209.69 is valid as long as the devices connected are the proper subnet mask. An Octet is 8 continuous binary bits (1 byte) and a valid IPv4 IP address has 4 Octets (X.X.X.X) separated with a period. Valid Ip decimal address within octets is from 1-254. 0 and 255 numbers are considered "Network" or "Broadcast" addresses. So the number 169.254.209.69 could work.

OldNick wrote: Part of the problem is that from my testing so far, if I assign myself an IP Address (say 10.0.0.01) for this work, in the Dial Up Server area, it seems to muck about with my Internet connections. It will allow me to log on to my ISP, but then not let me get email, or browse news etc. I still assigned and Address by the ISP, but something gets crossed up.Shrug. I will have to look at this again.

Do you only have dialup? Like for your internet also is that through dialup? IF so then if you change your IP address to a specific address you will MOST DEFINATELY mess up your access to the internet ect.

If you have an Ethernet Card present going to High Speed internet changing the TCP/IP settings on your DIAL UP ADAPTER ONLY should not adversely effect you connecting to the internet, however if you only have one dial up adapter and that is what you use to get to the internet then my suggestion is to NOT specify an address..

I take for granted that most people have DSL or Cable at home.

Well hopefully you can try out the instructions from that page I found and that should help you accomplish your goal!!

After you connect to the computer do the following -

Ask your dad what his IP address is -
Start - Run - type "Command" in the open box without quotes, click okay - type "ipconfig"

OR -

Click on the Windows Start button, select Run and type winipcfg. This has an option to select the hardware device to find out its IP address. And is a nicer GUI.

On your computer after you get his ip address, check yours. Neither computer should have a 127.X.X.X address; if it does there may be an issue.

If they at least look similar you are on the right track. Within your msdos or DOS prompt window type in "Ping X.X.X.X." No quotes and replace the X's with the numbers that correspond with your dads computer. If you can ping your dads computer you can try running RADMIN.

Gooood luck

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2004-09-27 07:20

Managed to connect just last night, using 10.0.0.1 for the Server (Networking,TCP/IP) and 10.0.0.2 for my machine (create a special New Connection, do NOT use Networking!), and everything went well.

I realise the _basis_ is simple. And so it should be if thisd stuff is to be used for "helping the family" as one purveyor has advertised......

Unfortunately, there were side issues, such as :
- trying stuff out on my PC, eg setting it up as a server and ending up with no internet. :-<
- trying to connect without an actual ring signal to avoid ringup, hangup, ringup, hangup etc,
- so DUS was not seeing itself as a Server at all.
- feature request already in <G>

I do not even have DSL etc available to my _area_ yet.

To give you an idea of what I was up against, apart from my own fiddling, last night in the middle of the session, the DUN session stayed put, but I was suddenly looking at my own screen again (full screen mode). I reconnected the session, and in response to my typed question "What happened there?" my Father typed that because he was not sure what he should do, he had closed the window! Next time, when I really want something done, and say "Now when this happens, you do this". So we connect, and the thing happens, and nothing.............nothing......nothing....and I finallly give up, have a coffee, then ring back, and it's "Oh. I didn't know how long to wait before I did it" grrr!

Thanks for the input. Each sensible reply from various people and sources has at the very _least_ buoyed me up! <G>

Anyway I am going. Now all my questions will be about VNC! <GG>

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2004-09-27 07:21

Sorry. My last para should have started "Anyway, I am UP AND going"....

ipsec · Post by **ipsec** » 2004-09-27 16:06

Congrats on getting up and running!

regarding not screwin up your inet connections. Since my last post I was trying to figure out if you had dsl or cable and I just now got it that you didnt!! lol.. My suggestion is the following -

Read up on how to set up a DUN server on that link up there..

Change your settings back to assign IP address, and set your dads to assign.

Then what should happen because your dads puter is acting as the "Server" It should give you an IP and then also give your dad an IP and be the same thing as Specifying 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2, but with the added benefit of not messing up your inet DUN connections also.

Give that a whirl..

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